Added: May 23, 2024

In this podcast episode, Andrew Klavan discusses the controversy surrounding Candace Owens and The Daily Wire, focusing on the issue of anti-Semitism that arose from comments made by Owens. Klavan addresses how phrases like "Christ is King" were being used in an anti-Semitic manner, citing examples of tweets he received that combined the phrase with derogatory references to Jews. He emphasizes the importance of clarifying such statements to prevent them from being interpreted as expressions of hatred.

Key takeaways

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Andrew Klavan discusses the controversy involving Candace Owens and The Daily Wire, emphasizing the need to address and refute anti-Semitic rhetoric to prevent it from being interpreted as expressions of hatred.

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Klavan explains that while social media platforms should prioritize open dialogue, companies like The Daily Wire have the right to limit viewpoints that promote bigotry or hate speech, similar to how they would handle extreme views on other sensitive topics.

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Klavan highlights the importance of conservatives engaging in the cultural sphere to create compelling narratives that resonate with audiences, suggesting a long-term approach to cultural change.

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The discussion touches on the left's cultural dominance in industries like Hollywood and the media, and the need for conservatives to build their own platforms and institutions to counter this imbalance.

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Klavan reflects on the role of religion in shaping moral values and societal norms, discussing the collapse of Christianity and the potential resurgence of interest in religion among public figures, which could signal a shift towards a more spiritual and moral outlook.

Klavan's Discomfort with Anti-Semitic Rhetoric

Klavan expresses his discomfort with the situation, noting that he had previously admired Owens' talent and had even recommended her for a position at The Daily Wire. However, he found it challenging to continue working in an environment where anti-Semitic rhetoric was being tolerated. He highlights the need to address and refute such language, even if it means facing backlash from certain individuals.

Klavan's Reflection on Anti-Semitism

The conversation delves into the broader issue of anti-Semitism and its historical roots. Klavan reflects on his personal journey of reconciling his Jewish heritage with his Christian faith, emphasizing the importance of separating Christian love from anti-Semitic beliefs. He delves into the complex history of anti-Semitism in Europe and its connection to societal attitudes towards Christianity and Judaism.

Free Speech and Company Policies

The discussion then shifts to the concept of free speech and company policies within The Daily Wire. Klavan acknowledges that while social media platforms should prioritize open dialogue, The Daily Wire operates more like an on-air magazine with a specific point of view. He explains that the company is not obligated to provide a platform for every viewpoint, especially those promoting bigotry or hate speech. He uses the example of expressing extreme views on abortion to illustrate the limits of acceptable discourse within the organization.

Challenging Cancel Culture Criticism

The conversation touches on the issue of cancel culture and the criticism that can arise from holding individuals accountable for their statements. Klavan distinguishes between legitimate criticism of harmful speech and the redefinition of common beliefs as bigoted. He argues that cancel culture often narrows the Overton window of acceptable discourse, stifling diverse perspectives and traditional viewpoints.

The Impact of Morally Ambiguous Characters in Popular TV Shows

The conversation shifts to the impact of popular TV shows like "House of Cards" and "Game of Thrones" that feature morally ambiguous characters. Klavan explains that these shows reflect a societal shift where traditional notions of good and evil are blurred, and characters are portrayed in a more complex and realistic manner. He also discusses the decline of these shows when they veer away from their original vision and succumb to external pressures.

The Importance of Conservative Engagement in Culture

Klavan delves into the challenges faced by conservatives in the cultural landscape, noting that many on the right fail to recognize the importance of art and storytelling in shaping societal values. He emphasizes the need for conservatives to engage in the cultural sphere and create compelling narratives that resonate with audiences. He suggests that conservatives should adopt a long-term approach to cultural change, similar to the gradual and persistent efforts of the left over the past few decades. He praises shows like "American Fiction" for their bold and thought-provoking storytelling, even if they may be uncomfortable to watch at times.

The conversation touches on the role of billionaires in supporting conservative art and culture. Klavan laments the lack of investment and focus on cultural initiatives from wealthy conservatives, who often prioritize business interests over cultural endeavors.

The Left's Cultural Dominance

Klavan also delves into the issue of cultural dominance by the left in industries like Hollywood and the media. He mentions how the left tends to silence conservative voices and control the narrative, leading to a lack of representation for right-leaning individuals. He emphasizes the need for the right to build their own platforms and institutions to counter this imbalance.

Critique of Virtue Signaling in Hollywood

The discussion touches on the concept of virtue signaling and the desire for validation and importance in the entertainment industry. Klavan criticizes the trend of celebrities using their platforms to push political agendas without considering the impact on their audience. He also highlights the issue of blacklisting conservative voices in Hollywood and the challenges faced by individuals who hold right-leaning views.

The Role of Religion in Shaping Moral Values

Klavan brings up the topic of religion and its role in shaping moral values and societal norms. He discusses the collapse of Christianity and its implications on the moral order in society. He mentions the resurgence of interest in religion among public figures like Russell Brand and Jordan Peterson, signaling a potential shift towards a more spiritual and moral outlook.

Klavan's Views on Morality and Religion

The conversation concludes with Klavan expressing his views on the importance of God in establishing a moral order and the limitations of constructing morality solely based on evolutionary principles. He reflects on his personal journey towards embracing religion later in life and the profound impact it has had on his perspective on ethics and values.

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