Dave Smith: Russia, Israel, Trump & the Swamp, Obama, and the Media Attacks on Joe Rogan

Added: May 17, 2024

In this podcast episode, Tucker Carlson interviews Dave Smith, a Libertarian, about a wide range of topics including Russia, Israel, Trump, the Swamp, Obama, and the media attacks on Joe Rogan. Despite their differing political affiliations, Smith and Carlson find common ground on many issues, particularly their shared skepticism of Washington DC's corruption and the seductive nature of power that leads individuals to compromise their principles. Smith highlights the Mises Institute in Auburn, Alabama, as an example of a Libertarian organization that intentionally avoids DC to steer clear of corruption.

Key takeaways

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Despite their historical opposition to centralized power, conservatives have often accepted and even promoted big government initiatives. This trend was particularly evident during the COVID-19 pandemic, where lockdowns and restrictions were implemented with little resistance from conservative media.

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Speaking out against mainstream narratives can lead to ostracization and smearing, but it is crucial for maintaining truth and honesty. Examples include the lab leak theory and the treatment of the Kurds, where dissenting views faced harsh criticism.

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The federal government thrives on taxpayer money, contributing to corruption at every level. Draining the swamp requires cutting government spending and reducing the power of Washington DC.

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The shift from formal suits to casual clothing among the wealthy elite symbolizes a lack of societal obligation and a sense of superiority. Acknowledging privilege and the responsibilities that come with it is important.

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Libertarians should balance advocating for limited government intervention with upholding good family values and societal norms. True Libertarian ideals should be represented, avoiding the influence of oligarch-funded groups.

Conservative acceptance of big government

The conversation delves into the history of conservatism in America, with Smith noting that conservatives have often opposed the consolidation of power in DC but have ultimately accepted and even promoted big government initiatives. They discuss the failure of conservatives and Libertarians to effectively push back against government overreach, especially during the COVID-19 pandemic, where lockdowns and restrictions on personal freedoms were implemented with little resistance from conservative media.

Importance of Courageous Dissent

Smith emphasizes the lack of courage and dissent in conservative and Libertarian circles, noting that speaking out against mainstream narratives can lead to being ostracized and smeared. He gives examples of controversial topics like the lab leak theory and the treatment of the Kurds, where dissenting views were met with harsh criticism. He underscores the importance of standing up for truth and honesty, even in the face of backlash.

The Role of Libertarians in the US

The role of Libertarians in the US and the need for a balance between Libertarian principles and conservative values is another key topic. Smith suggests that Libertarians should not only advocate for limited government intervention but also uphold good family values and societal norms. He points out that while Libertarians like Ron Paul have been consistent in their beliefs, other Libertarian groups funded by oligarchs may not always align with true Libertarian ideals.

The Parasitic Nature of Government Power

Carlson and Smith discuss the power dynamics in Washington DC, with Carlson noting the federal government's unprecedented influence. They highlight the parasitic nature of the government, which thrives on taxpayer money and contributes to corruption at every level. Smith argues that draining the swamp requires cutting government spending and reducing the power of DC, as long as it remains the epicenter of power and influence.

The Democratic Party's Shift

The conversation touches on the shift in the Democratic party under Bill Clinton, who declared a ceasefire between the party and the business community during the tech boom. This change led to a shift in the party's stance on wealth and power, with Democrats embracing billionaires and tech moguls. Smith and Carlson discuss the implications of this shift on the balance of power and the influence of money in politics.

The Changing Attire of the Wealthy Elite

Smith also comments on the changing attire of the wealthy elite, noting how they have transitioned from formal suits to casual clothing like t-shirts and hoodies. This shift in attire symbolizes a lack of obligation to society and a sense of superiority among the wealthy class. Smith emphasizes the importance of acknowledging privilege and the responsibilities that come with it, rather than downplaying one's status.

Obama's Economic Policies Criticized

The conversation then moves towards the 2008 financial crisis and the subsequent economic recovery under Obama's administration. Smith criticizes Obama for continuing and expanding the Bush administration's policies, leading to a culture war as a distraction from the failures of his presidency. The discussion highlights the impact of zero interest rates on asset prices and the economy, ultimately leading to malinvestment and a looming financial crisis.

Disparity in Tax Rates

The podcast also addresses the disparity between taxes on labor and capital gains, with Smith questioning why there is a discrepancy in the tax rates. He argues that the current tax system penalizes working individuals while favoring those with capital investments, leading to financial struggles for many Americans. The conversation delves into the impact of inflation on grocery prices and the burden of debt on individuals, highlighting the need for a fairer tax system that benefits the average person.

Smith's Fight for Libertarian Values

Smith shares his involvement in libertarian politics and the internal conflicts within the Libertarian Party. He discusses the Ron Paul Revolution and the disappointment with candidates like Gary Johnson and Bill Weld, who failed to represent true libertarian values. He recounts his group's takeover of the party to ensure it aligns with libertarian principles and opposes government overreach and virtue signaling.

Smith's Views on Gaza Conflict

The conversation shifts to the recent conflict in Gaza, with Smith expressing his views on the situation. He criticizes the neoconservative strain in American politics and highlights the need for the Libertarian Party to challenge the Republicans to be better. He believes that the Libertarian Party can play a role in pushing for a more America First approach in politics.

US Involvement in Ukraine Conflict

The discussion then moves to the war in Ukraine and the role of the US in the conflict. Smith points out the provocations that led to the war and criticizes the US for its involvement. He highlights the role of the intelligence agencies in pushing for conflict and the lack of evidence to support claims of Russian interference in the 2016 elections.

Eye-opening experience in Iraq

Smith shares his experience of visiting Iraq in 2003 and how it changed his perspective on the war. He describes the chaos and violence he witnessed, as well as his interactions with military officials. Smith expresses his disgust at the glorification of war and the use of women in combat roles.

The conversation delves into the motivations behind the Iraq War and the manipulation of public opinion by a small group of individuals. Smith reflects on the lies and misinformation that were used to justify the war and the consequences of US intervention in Iraq.

The Clean Break Strategy

One of the key points discussed is the Clean Break strategy, a document written in 1996 by Richard Pearl and David Wormser, among others. The strategy outlined a shift away from the peace process in the Middle East and towards a more aggressive approach, including the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. Smith highlights how this strategy ultimately influenced the actions of the George W. Bush administration post-9/11.

Skepticism towards 9/11 narrative

The conversation also touches on the events of 9/11, with Smith expressing skepticism towards the official narrative and raising questions about potential government involvement or prior knowledge of the attacks. He emphasizes the need to be critical of government explanations and highlights the lack of transparency surrounding classified documents related to 9/11.

Controversy over questioning nuclear bombings

Smith further discusses the backlash he faced for questioning the use of nuclear bombs during World War II, particularly the bombing of Nagasaki. Despite acknowledging the complexities of the historical context, he asserts that incinerating civilians is inherently evil and questions why this viewpoint sparked controversy, especially within right-wing circles.

The Legacy of Winston Churchill

The podcast also delves into the legacy of Winston Churchill and the aftermath of World War II, with Smith critiquing Churchill's decisions and the impact of the war on Britain. He challenges the glorification of Churchill and questions the defense of his actions, pointing to the long-term consequences of the war and its role in shaping the American Empire.

Joe Rogan

The podcast also touches on the media's role in shaping public perception and the attacks on individuals like Joe Rogan. Smith discusses the power dynamics at play in the media and the influence of certain narratives on public discourse.

He praises Rogan for his genuine and generous nature, mentioning how Rogan has changed the lives of many people, including himself. He attributes his own success to appearing on Rogan's podcast, which significantly boosted his audience and income. Smith and Carlson discuss the authenticity of Rogan and how he remains the same person on and off camera, highlighting the importance of honesty and integrity in a world where many people in the media industry are phony.

Personal Relationships

The conversation then delves into the decline of the country, with Smith expressing his concerns about the national debt, ongoing wars, political divides, and cultural insanity. Despite these challenges, he finds solace in his personal relationships, particularly with his family. He talks about how becoming a husband and father has brought deeper meaning and happiness to his life.

Smith reflects on his upbringing in a single-parent household and how it has influenced his approach to family life. He credits his mother for instilling good values in him and acknowledges the role of luck in meeting his wife, whom he describes as the best person he has ever met. He emphasizes the importance of commitment and dedication in marriage, viewing it as a lifelong partnership.

The Sanctity of Marriage

The conversation touches on the impact of the Baby Boomer generation on society, with Smith criticizing their selfish attitudes and normalization of casual divorce. He believes that marriage is a sacred commitment that should be honored and upheld, even in the face of challenges. Smith and Carlson share their experiences of happy marriages and the importance of staying committed to their partners.

Democracy as an Illusion

Smith also touches on the idea of democracy being an illusion, as the true power lies in the hands of the ruling class. However, he acknowledges that there is always a form of democracy present, as the government needs the tacit acceptance of the people to function. He expresses hope in the power of ideas and the ability to spread information, which can ultimately lead to positive change.

The Shift Away from US Hegemony

Another point of discussion is the shift away from US hegemony internationally, which Smith sees as both scary and necessary. He believes that the unipolar moment, where the US was the world's reserve currency, was detrimental to the country. He mentions how getting off the gold standard and printing money freely led to economic issues and a loss of national identity. He sees the transition away from being the world's reserve currency as a positive step towards regaining a sense of national integrity.

The Value of Earned Success

Smith also reflects on the concept of unearned wealth, using the analogy of being handed a billion dollars. He explains how receiving such a large sum of money without earning it could have negative consequences, as it may disrupt familial relationships and personal integrity. He emphasizes the importance of working for what one has and the value of earning one's success.

Admiration for Authenticity and Integrity

Throughout the podcast, Smith expresses his admiration for individuals like Teddy Roosevelt, who stood up against the ruling class and prioritized the interests of the common people. He sees Trump as having similar qualities, as someone who challenges the status quo and is not afraid to go against the establishment. He appreciates those who prioritize authenticity and integrity over power and influence.

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